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Recent Events, 9 April 2007


The "Favil West" Waterfalls

Pictured at left is the delightful sight of the recently turned on upper waterfalls.

For now, at least, I have renamed the falls "The Favil West Waterfalls."

 

 

 

If as we have been led to believe the persistent efforts of Favil West with the City was responsible for the City's about face and decision in allowing Sun City to turn on our waterfalls, Mr. West deserves the Community's whole hearted congratulations. Let us hope that the flowing waterfalls will not be temporary and will stay with us in the months to come.

Speaking of Flowing Water

If Mr. West is capable of performing a water miracle of such magnitude for the Community's overall benefit, perhaps he can be persuade to do likewise and devote his considerable efforts to bringing the Community a lesser water miracle, but no less important, by bringing needed personal services to the Community Services Building, which lacks both water and bathroom facilities.

My personal belief is that were this his personal priority, a badly needed and deserved bathroom facility would soon be forthcoming.

On Water Corrosion and Mold Prevention in Phase 1 Homes

Here is a picture of what is happening to your cover plate screws that are breaching the opening to clean-out plugs in our household sewer drains. This particular corroded screw is from a home in which a hole was produced in the clean-out plug. Gray water was emitted from that hole onto the floor and mold damage resulted, requiring mold remediation and repair to the walls of the home. Unfortunately, virtually all cover caps were fixed in place using standard steel screws that corrode in the presence of water rather than using stainless steel screws that do not corrode.

While the potential "mold problem" is not a new Sun City story, see our original story on this issue, what is new is what's been happening more recently as City of Henderson building inspectors have been swooping down on our neighborhoods to pass or fail the work of various plumbing companies that have performed repipe work. Of particular interest has been what our City inspectors have been saying and what they are requiring these plumbing companies to do upon discovering the location of existing sewer drain clean-outs.

In the past few months, City building inspectors have been making almost daily trips to Sun City to inspect the work performed by plumbing companies who have performed a re-plumb.

Typically, that inspection included areas where the outside stucco wall had been breeched and opened to gain access to certain plumbing lines.

Frequently, as illustrated, the removal of the stucco exposed a sewer drain clean-out. Note the tiny screw hole in middle of the clean-out cap.

 

 

 

 

The problem, according to City inspectors, is that the clean-outs were not installed correctly, i.e., according to the building code. When these code-violation clean-outs have been exposed in this manner, the City is requiring the plumbing company to bring the exposed clean-outs forward to the outside surface of the wall (as shown at here) rather than leaving the clean-out access openings located several inches in back of the outside wall. The end result is there is no screw, no hole in the cap and no opportunity for water to leak inside of the home to cause any water or mold damage.

What can Pulte do? Someone has suggested that building code violations should be remediated or fixed by the Developer. If that is true and if the drain location access location was a code violation at the time the drain was installed, then Pulte should be willing to take care of this plumbing problem along with plugging up that hole that is slowly forming in many of the clean-out sewer drain access caps—thereby preventing a future and hidden water leak from occurring within the home and in the process eliminating a potential source for mold to grow.

As the screw corrodes, unwanted and hidden leaks can and will eventually occur if water is present in the drain where the access opening is located. Since risk prevention is the hallmark of a quality builder, and since this particular risk can be easily remedied by the builder, where is Pulte on this issue? To date, Pulte has been silent on this issue except to say to give them a call, but only after mold has already made its presence known. Should homeowners really have to wait until there is a source present for mold to grow?  

What can homeowners do?  If a homeowner believes that Pulte should be assuming responsibility for this alleged construction defect, he or she should consider contacting the Developer. Here is Pulte’s Customer Relations telephone number:  914-4864.


Plumbing news

Some general thoughts. While more, and for some homeowners, preferred plumbing solutions now appear to be on the horizon, many homeowners will not be able to take advantage of these options. Those homeowners have already rushed out to obtain what they believed would remediate our shared Kitec problem. We hope their decisions were well founded. However, in the process of repiping with one product or another, it is sad to note that many of those homeowners seem to have lost sight of the reason for the repair effort.

While I have attempted to focus attention on the real culprit, the brass fittings that are subject to dezincification, homeowners have worried over other less important matters, such as which plumbing system to use, CPVC or PEX, which PEX piping system was best, which joining method was better, which warranty was better, even which company was faster or cleaner. In the end, homeowners were seemingly able to justify whatever decision they made. Few, however, gave little thought to addressing the problem that brought us to where we are today—the brass fittings. Some homeowners went ahead and had their brass Kitec fittings replaced with seemingly equally susceptible brass fittings, most likely not realizing the short-term consequences of their decisions.

So, you might wonder, “how did we get into this mess?” Pulte made that decision for us when they decided it was in their best interest to NOT offer our homeowners a repair. What Pulte did, instead, was to say to each of us, “here, take this money and do something.” Of course, no one really knew what that “something” was, least of all whether their “something” was any better than the “something” being done down the street or would result in any improvement over those defective Kitec fittings being bypassed.

The contractors did not really care, however nice and agreeable they seemed—they only wanted your agreement or contract and our money. Each would convince you of the worthiness of their particular plumbing product, CPVC, Vanguard, Wirsbo, or Zurn. Some contractors would stress the benefits of the warranty, as worthless as that might be, or they would offer a range of freebies, while others would charge extra for, say, ball valves or for repiping the badly corroded water heater fittings, and a range of other items and services.

From Pulte’s perspective, they made a calculated decision that did not serve Phase 1 homeowners well. As Pulte’s candidate Jeremy Fritz said, Pulte chose a different option in addressing the Kitec problem, compared to their recent offer to repair the REHAU plumbing problem. That different option afforded Phase 1 homeowners can best be illustrated with this analogy: In making their monetary offer, Pulte essentially dropped each homeowner into a different spot in the ocean, each having absolutely no clue in what direction to navigate to reach a safe haven to accomplish that needed repair. While some would make that journey safely, too many would flounder and not be so lucky, making unhelpful or unwise decisions along the way. Too quickly, Sun City’s homeowners lost sight of what that needed repair was all about, those brass fittings.

Some Plumbing Options

For those homeowners who have yet to replumb and who wish to eliminate all vestiges of brass from their re-plumbing project, homeowners have three options:

  1. CPVC;
  2. PEX by Vanguard, using Sioux Chief's copper sweat fittings for transition;
  3. Copper.

Uponor (Wirsbo) is not an option since Uponor does not offer a non-brass solution, although they will soon have available here something almost equivalent in the form of a DRZ fitting that contains less than 10% zinc. Their new fittings are based on the same alloy that IPEX used in manufacturing their DZR fittings for Kitec, which are no longer available in Nevada.

One should understand that the elimination of brass in any form is a desirable goal since standard brass is subject to dezincification. As to whether, under what conditions, and at what rate DZR rated fittings will eventually dezincify here is unknown. What can be said is that a DZR fitting by design of the chemical properties making up the brass alloy and by the manufacturing process employed will inhibit the process of dezincification. Does that mean a DZR fitting will last for 50 years, 30 years or less is not known? It's clear, however, that a DZR fitting is far superior to a standard brass fitting.

Some homeowners like CPVC. It's clean appearing, does not entail breaching the outside stucco wall, and it avoids the use of brass fittings. It's a rigid, thin-walled plastic pipe that is joined with a special resin cement, similar in use to sprinkler PVC pipe that many homeowners are all too familiar with. It has many adherents and an unusual number of detractors. CPVC shares with PEX some uncertainties or potential risks. As plastic-based products, compared with the use of copper alone, there remain some uncertainties about long-term use insofar as reliability and use under the type of extreme weather fluctuations we experience in this desert environment. While plastic ultimately may prove to be an excellent plumbing product for Nevada and elsewhere, industry experience of relying on the use of plastic to provide potable water has been spotty in the past as well as in Nevada with our own more recent experience.

While the use of plastic in one form or another for potable water serves the building industry well as a low cost and low skill alternative to copper, we may have to wait another 25 or more years to see how well homeowners are served by the use of PEX and CPVC.

If the Developer is going to front the payment for a new plumbing system, there may be other more reliable plumbing options than by replacing one plastic system with another plastic system.

What about Copper?

There are currently over 8 million miles of copper pipe installed in American homes.  Approximately 90 percent of all homes in America are plumbed in copper, with a useful life of copper piping defined in the industry as 50 years. With roughly 100 unions in your attic (3 unions per T connection per water line, 2 water lines plus couplings) would a homeowner be better off with plastic unions or with type L, domestically sourced copper pipe joined to copper tees and couplings held together with copper/tin solder? Before you answer that question, consider that copper has been used in this valley for over 60 years and there is no evidence of a problem with copper corrosion in above ground potable water systems. Some have observed that all of the residential plumbing problems homeowners in the Las Vegas Valley have encountered in recent years can be traced to local real estate developers' decisions to abandon copper potable water systems in favor of plastic/brass systems.

Is Copper Currently Being Installed in Sun City's Homes?

Yes, several homes in Sun City are currently relying on recently installed an all copper plumbing systems, as these pictures illustrate.

 

Aside from reliability, are there any other benefits?

Aside from the all important reliability factor, another possible benefit is that the home's outside barrier seal does not have to be breached. All of the work is done within the interior of the home.

What about a warranty?

According to my source, the CA company in the process of setting up a branch office in Nevada (they have 4 branches in CA) says that the product warranty is 50 years and the comapny warranty on workmanship is for as long as the homeowner lives in the home, plus it covers the next homeowner for a period of five years.

What about COST?

As soon cost information is available, we will provide that information.

Why isn't COST information currently available?

Cost information is currently being assembled based on a number of "test" homes recently replumbed here in Sun City with copper. We understand that prices will be based on the size of the home.

When will more information be available?

That is unknown at the present time.

What about a contact number or internet site?

Since the company is not yet established here to handle inquiries about their anticipated offering, and since their CA company is not prepared to handle such inquiries, we have not provided any contact information at this time. As soon as we are able to do so, we will publish that information.

Are other major plumbing companies coming to Nevada?

Yes, that is our understanding. Competition will help to stabilize price.

 

Ron Johnson, 9 April 2007