I think in order to preserve the integrity of your blog, you should force everyone to register and be identified.
Rivka Wolf
Rivka Wolf said:
Ron Johnson,
I think in order to preserve the integrity of your blog, you should force everyone to register and be identified.
Rivka Wolf
Blown Away in Tall Mesa said:
I will apologize for the language, it was uncalled for, but I will not apologize for the content. We signed up with this site for information and have received nothing but toxic waste in the blogs. The mentality of these people as children could possibly be understood, but as adults it's scarey. First the Tree Cutter now the People Cutters. If this is a sample of the people that are trying to straighten out the BOD, God help us. Please remove us from your mailing list.
Ron Johnson said:
TO BLOWN AWAY IN TALL MESA
Regretably, your persistence in being gross will ruin this blogging experience for others, which, based on your continuing practice, one must assume you could care less. If I'm unable to block you individually, I'll will be forced to have everyone register and be identified, which I can readily do.
Blown Away in Tall Mesa said:
Speaking of crappers, this was truly a gathering of a bunch of assholes.
Warren Weitzman said:
Carl,
I really do appreciate what you and your committee have been doing re: the bathroom. But as Ron Johnson has said there are variances which could probably be gotten as the city was as much at fault as Del Webb is allowing the bathroom to be eliminated.
Sorry to have misunderstood your position.
Warren Weitzman said:
Mr Incredible,
I never knew anyone who was perfect. But you are the perfect asshole. As for being decrepit, it appears you are the decrepit one with a mentality of a 2 year old and a spelling education of less.
Old man crawl out of your hiding place and use your real name if you can remember it or spell it.
A schmuck is a schmuck.
Mr. Incredible said:
Warren
It doesn't matter what the "offical" reason is for your potty needs. It still means you are too decrepid to walk the walk but you sure like to talk the talk. Get your ass out of channel 99 before 10 PM and the problem goes away. You are a volunteer for no pay so don't feel guilty about leaving when the building closes. You have alot of nerve insisting on a major expenditure so you have a place to relieve that big butt of yours.
Warren WEITZMAN said:
Mr. Incredible or more proper A--H--le,
The problem is not that I can't hold it in it is that I work late at the CSB (after 10PM) sometimes and don't enjoy watering the flowers. As for a catheter, I think you deserve one in your mouth so you will stop the crap you are spewing. If you have ever had a catheter you would know it is not a pleasant thing.
FYI, my problem is a walking one, I an not old or in-firmed as you suggest. If you would like to match me in a test of strength be my guest.
I at least put my name on the blog unlike a chicken hearted spineless one like you.
It would be a pleasure to crap on you while you are in your hole.
Mr. Incredible said:
Yes Marcia, I crawled out of a hole to say that. Oh my, maybe we can put an outhouse over the hole and Warren can use it! such a fuss over one person who cannot "hold it in". I know his cry is legitimate but we cannot "piss" away $200000 for a place to piss. Bob M is correct. This has to be put in perspective. Do you want your dues to go up to accommodate someone who needs a "crapper"? Disabled and infirm old folks belong in an assisted residence environment not in a community comprised mostly of senior HEALTHY residents, or, do we keep spending money as each of us gets more infirm?
Mr. Incredible said:
Marcia/Rana
I love it when women talk dirty to me! Thanks for your well-wishes!
Marcia S. Kosterka said:
TO MR. INCREDIBLE:
Your comment posted above is a despicable, heinous comment. It is the ravings of a sick, depraved individual that apparently lives in SCA. I am thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed that such a lowlife lives in our community. I truly wish you any and all misfortunes life has to offer for your blatant cruelty to another human being and good person.
Rana Goodman said:
Mr. Incredible there is a special place in hell for people like you.
Mr Incredible said:
TO WARREN WEITZMAN
The answer for your potty problem is to install a catheter or bring along a hospital potty basin when you are in the CSB.
carl weinstein said:
THANK YOU Marcia and Linda!! Since P/G has done what we can, the idea of residents pushing at the BOD at Board Meeting microphones may very well be the answer. Hopefully they will become the "squeaky wheel".
carl weinstein said:
THANK YOU Marcia and Linda!! Since P/G has done what we can, the idea of residents pushing at the BOD at Board Meeting microphones may very well be the answer. Hopefully they will become the "squeaky wheel".
Linda Krivec said:
As a member of P and G, I know how hard we have tried to find a way to be both fiscally responsible and still be empathetic to the need for the CSB bathroom. Carl Weinstein has worked every angle for this and pushed back against two Boards who wanted this to just go away quietly. The Board always has the final say, but P and G Has been very persistent in their attempts to reach a solution. To indicate otherwise is just plain wrong.
Marcia S. Kosterka ; Thank you for "pulling on the reins", and perhaps allowing every one to take a deep breath, relax, and look at the facts.
I don't see a problem with the work that Carl and his committee has done because as he said The BOD has made the final desision. I also don't have any problem with Ron Johnson reporting the facts (I do not agree that it is "yellow journalism).
One thing is clear. It is NOT "Case Closed". The people of this community deserve better leadership. Lets take the matter back to the BOD and put it back in their laps where it belongs. If the five children on the board of directors spent more time on matters that concern the health and welfare of every resident, and less time on their Bob Frank obsession, this community would be far better off.
Marcia S. Kosterka said:
O.K. Everyone-Loosen up! The following facts are known:
1.The original sight for the bathroom was scrapped in favor of you know who's office-selfish move, but fact nonetheless.
2. Knowing some members of Carl's hard working P & G committee, I, for one, have no doubt that they have tried before to find a solution to the CSB bathroom issue and was repeatedly stonewalled by previous and the present BODs.
3. Ron Johnson, after thoroughly investing this issue of the missing bathroom, (as he always does) has brought up one more important issue impacting this community.
4. There is always a way to find solutions to problems such as this and fiscally prudent, if enough good minds work on it.
5. This issue should be brought out at an open forum and BOD meeting so ALL can become cognizant of the problem.
6. It is long overdue to make any BOD listen to the will of the people that have elected them to PROTECT and SERVE the community.
After perusing a technical book called THE PHYSICIANS' DESK REFERENCE, which lists all FDA approved drugs available in the United States as well as drawing upon my forty one years working in a hospital taking care of an older population, a conservative estimate of between 30-50% of SCA residents are using some form of medication to control their blood pressure. One group of these medications are diuretics or have a diuretic incorporated into the medication. A diuretic promotes increased urination. BINGO! One does not have to be a Rhodes Scholar to connect the dots! You don't have to necessarily have the condition, incontinence, explained by Ron, to need bathroom facilities located within a reasonable distance from where you work. There are also other classes of drugs which promote increase in urination besides diuretics.
So when all is said and done, this lack of bathroom facilities in the CSB is a REAL and PRESSING issue. Let us ALL work together to insure that the BOD act in accordance with the needs of this community and not the selfish needs of one or several individuals. It is time for all of us to speak out on this issue whether it affects you personally or not!
Mr Incredible said:
It's nice to see that we have switched our conversation from hot big mouth gas to bathroom gas!
carl weinstein said:
The office in question is not the one you think it is. It is Scott's office who is the Communication Manager for RMI and it is directly adjacent to the 99 studio.
Rana Goodman said:
"it was questionable where we should move the occupant of the office to" Is that the same occupant who cancelled the bathroom in the first place? If so, how much time does he use that space? Wouldn’t it be more prudent to weigh the needs and safety of the many people working in the CSB than the convenience of one? Most of us have a home office. Is this another example of the association STILL being held captive by the needs, wants, desires, and demands of one person, PLEASE tell me that is not what is at the bottom of this endless argument. The excuses get lamer by the day. Warren, remember who told you to sit down and shut up, looks like he still runs things!
carl weinstein said:
Warren W. Your were sitting in my P and G meeting a couple of months ago when my committee asked Bruno to re-review the recommendations for a bathroom for CSB and and that time you gave me a high sign as a thank you!. Bruno did some work on it and the BOD scrapped any further discussions on the bathroom issue. Bruno told me the bathroom sounds of water and flushing would surely disrupt channel 99 and it was questionable whre we would move the occupant of the office to. So don't lay the blame on me. I refuse to keep beating a dead horse, no matter what the justification may be for doing it.
carl weinstein said:
1. I have no idea who the person was that called the City Inspector's department
2. You are forgetting that we can recommend anything we want to. When the BOD votes no it is no whether we like it or not. When that happens the case is closed.
3. We have recommended that a bathroom be placed in CSB several times last year. That BOD rejected it. At that time we included the ramp idea Rana and that was rejected as well. I intend to have one more go at the ramp idea.
4. Ron my problem is that your writing suggests that I and/or my committee are not in favor of a bathroom. We had already recommended it. I just don't see what more I can do when the BOD says no. And by the way, P and G had nothing to do with the original plans for Building #2 and nothing to do with the changes that were made. We had one meeting with the archtect AFTER the plans were completed and we were told it was "too late to make and changes". Also, I am not looking for praise or credit. My point is that you are always looking at a half empty glass rather than half full. we have made significant progress but we are not 100% successful and somehow you overlook the successes.
5/ Rana, the ramp idea was presentd to last year's BOD and rejected. I am willing to try again with this BOD but I am not optimistic.
6. It is unfair to accuse me/P and G of being unsympathetic to the needs of our fellow-seniors. We still have to follow procedures and edicts issued by the BOD.
Warren WEITZMAN said:
Carl,
Your arguments are absurd. The closest space happens to be in the
Communications Director's office, or haven't you spoken to Bruno.
This is inconvenient, however, as RMI has made no provision for their employees. The space next to the studio would be fine and could be soundproofed to eliminate the sound. Well maybe in Chicago they don't know about sound proofing.
BTW, that facilitator who called the city inspector was none other than our esteemed President's wife. My how times change.
Excuses are easy. The rear door is locked and once you leave the building you can't get back in. Oh Well. There is always the nearest tree for the men.
Anonymous said:
Carl W wrote:
"""""He failed to mention that the space available for a bathroom is adjacent to channel 99 and the noises would disrupt their work. """""
Now what kind of noises could possibly come from a bathroom that would disrupt anyone's work. Do us older folks have a bit more gas???
Must be the mexican food.
Could also be "salted rat". Now I'm expecting phone call from Dave B saying he had to remove this post due to making some people "nauseous" who are working on the records.
Oh, situation remedied, along with our daily meds, we can take "beano" if planning to be anywhere near CSB on that day.
bob m
Keep ignoring lips and follow the tips
Rana Goodman said:
Ah! The plot thickens…. Now ask who called the city inspector just before the board officers election determined to make that bathroom a reality. Something strange happened AFTER the election though, that “facilitator” seems to have lost interest in “where there is a will there is a way”. Like Ron Johnson I believe there is much more involved than 500’ satisfaction of an ordinance, there is safety, convenience of seniors and plain old common sense. Carl, I think you need to explore that $20,000 option and see if you can’t make it a reality and let the board start working for the residents it’s about time don’t you think?
Marcia S. Kosterka said:
Does anyone realize that the original plans had a washroom planned for the Community Service Building? The area for the original planned washroom is now none other than Favil West's office.
Ron Johnson said:
Carl, I would hardly call a plea for a careful evaluation of Community and personal needs yellow journalism. Does that reflect your disdain for the issues I had raised? I gather that Carl is upset when others are not praising his Committee's accomplishments, but that's really not at issue here, unless you are against efforts that are designed to serve the needs of our aging seniors. I hope Carl is not saying that the CSB is unable to accommodate a bathroom because of noise? What does that mean? It would be preferrable if the Committee would direct its considerable efforts at putting a bathroom in the CSB, not in finding ways to either avoid the issue (via the City's 500' rule) or in seeking work-a-round. Where was the bathroom situated in the contractor's proposal?
carl weinstein said:
I forgot something else. I am tired of facing accusers when they don't like something and when they don't recognize accomplishments as well. My Committee has saved $500,000 on security expenditures; $10,000 on gallery ceiling tiles; and $5000 for a consultant to review parking lot lighting needs. " Fair is Fair" My Mother always said that if you can't find something nice to say about someone, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!
carl weinstein said:
At long last I have become the victim of Ron Johnson's yellow journalism. I wondered when that might happen. Of course as usual he is all out of perspective. He failed to mention that the space available for a bathroom is adjacent to channel 99 and the noises would disrupt their work. He failed to mention that installation would require a trench and sewer line pump from the building to the middle of the main parking lot. He failed to mention that my Committee has worked on trying to find a way to do this for over a year now. He failed to mention that we are subservient to the BOD and if they say "no" it is no! He also failed to mention that there is another possible option to explore that does not involve going all the way around the building to get to it. There is a back outside stair right outside the door that leads to the hallway where the stage bathroom is located. The door there is locked. The stairway can be changed to a nice low angle concrete ramp suitable for wheelchairs, etc and the lock on the door can be changed to a combination lock pad for the door. This can be accomplished for under $20,000 and I have previously committed to at least try to push for this alternative.
While I respect the needs of diabled volunteer residents and other late nite working volunteers, I must also consider expenses in a year when residents are already screaming about a possible $160 a year dues increase.
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Ron Johnson,
I think in order to preserve the integrity of your blog, you should force everyone to register and be identified.
Rivka Wolf
Ron Johnson,
I think in order to preserve the integrity of your blog, you should force everyone to register and be identified.
Rivka Wolf
I will apologize for the language, it was uncalled for, but I will not apologize for the content. We signed up with this site for information and have received nothing but toxic waste in the blogs. The mentality of these people as children could possibly be understood, but as adults it's scarey. First the Tree Cutter now the People Cutters. If this is a sample of the people that are trying to straighten out the BOD, God help us. Please remove us from your mailing list.
TO BLOWN AWAY IN TALL MESA
Regretably, your persistence in being gross will ruin this blogging experience for others, which, based on your continuing practice, one must assume you could care less. If I'm unable to block you individually, I'll will be forced to have everyone register and be identified, which I can readily do.
Speaking of crappers, this was truly a gathering of a bunch of assholes.
Carl,
I really do appreciate what you and your committee have been doing re: the bathroom. But as Ron Johnson has said there are variances which could probably be gotten as the city was as much at fault as Del Webb is allowing the bathroom to be eliminated.
Sorry to have misunderstood your position.
Mr Incredible,
I never knew anyone who was perfect. But you are the perfect asshole. As for being decrepit, it appears you are the decrepit one with a mentality of a 2 year old and a spelling education of less.
Old man crawl out of your hiding place and use your real name if you can remember it or spell it.
A schmuck is a schmuck.
Warren
It doesn't matter what the "offical" reason is for your potty needs. It still means you are too decrepid to walk the walk but you sure like to talk the talk. Get your ass out of channel 99 before 10 PM and the problem goes away. You are a volunteer for no pay so don't feel guilty about leaving when the building closes. You have alot of nerve insisting on a major expenditure so you have a place to relieve that big butt of yours.
Mr. Incredible or more proper A--H--le,
The problem is not that I can't hold it in it is that I work late at the CSB (after 10PM) sometimes and don't enjoy watering the flowers. As for a catheter, I think you deserve one in your mouth so you will stop the crap you are spewing. If you have ever had a catheter you would know it is not a pleasant thing.
FYI, my problem is a walking one, I an not old or in-firmed as you suggest. If you would like to match me in a test of strength be my guest.
I at least put my name on the blog unlike a chicken hearted spineless one like you.
It would be a pleasure to crap on you while you are in your hole.
Yes Marcia, I crawled out of a hole to say that. Oh my, maybe we can put an outhouse over the hole and Warren can use it! such a fuss over one person who cannot "hold it in". I know his cry is legitimate but we cannot "piss" away $200000 for a place to piss. Bob M is correct. This has to be put in perspective. Do you want your dues to go up to accommodate someone who needs a "crapper"? Disabled and infirm old folks belong in an assisted residence environment not in a community comprised mostly of senior HEALTHY residents, or, do we keep spending money as each of us gets more infirm?
Marcia/Rana
I love it when women talk dirty to me! Thanks for your well-wishes!
TO MR. INCREDIBLE:
Your comment posted above is a despicable, heinous comment. It is the ravings of a sick, depraved individual that apparently lives in SCA. I am thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed that such a lowlife lives in our community. I truly wish you any and all misfortunes life has to offer for your blatant cruelty to another human being and good person.
Mr. Incredible there is a special place in hell for people like you.
TO WARREN WEITZMAN
The answer for your potty problem is to install a catheter or bring along a hospital potty basin when you are in the CSB.
THANK YOU Marcia and Linda!! Since P/G has done what we can, the idea of residents pushing at the BOD at Board Meeting microphones may very well be the answer. Hopefully they will become the "squeaky wheel".
THANK YOU Marcia and Linda!! Since P/G has done what we can, the idea of residents pushing at the BOD at Board Meeting microphones may very well be the answer. Hopefully they will become the "squeaky wheel".
As a member of P and G, I know how hard we have tried to find a way to be both fiscally responsible and still be empathetic to the need for the CSB bathroom. Carl Weinstein has worked every angle for this and pushed back against two Boards who wanted this to just go away quietly. The Board always has the final say, but P and G Has been very persistent in their attempts to reach a solution. To indicate otherwise is just plain wrong.
Marcia S. Kosterka ; Thank you for "pulling on the reins", and perhaps allowing every one to take a deep breath, relax, and look at the facts.
I don't see a problem with the work that Carl and his committee has done because as he said The BOD has made the final desision. I also don't have any problem with Ron Johnson reporting the facts (I do not agree that it is "yellow journalism).
One thing is clear. It is NOT "Case Closed". The people of this community deserve better leadership. Lets take the matter back to the BOD and put it back in their laps where it belongs. If the five children on the board of directors spent more time on matters that concern the health and welfare of every resident, and less time on their Bob Frank obsession, this community would be far better off.
O.K. Everyone-Loosen up! The following facts are known:
1.The original sight for the bathroom was scrapped in favor of you know who's office-selfish move, but fact nonetheless.
2. Knowing some members of Carl's hard working P & G committee, I, for one, have no doubt that they have tried before to find a solution to the CSB bathroom issue and was repeatedly stonewalled by previous and the present BODs.
3. Ron Johnson, after thoroughly investing this issue of the missing bathroom, (as he always does) has brought up one more important issue impacting this community.
4. There is always a way to find solutions to problems such as this and fiscally prudent, if enough good minds work on it.
5. This issue should be brought out at an open forum and BOD meeting so ALL can become cognizant of the problem.
6. It is long overdue to make any BOD listen to the will of the people that have elected them to PROTECT and SERVE the community.
After perusing a technical book called THE PHYSICIANS' DESK REFERENCE, which lists all FDA approved drugs available in the United States as well as drawing upon my forty one years working in a hospital taking care of an older population, a conservative estimate of between 30-50% of SCA residents are using some form of medication to control their blood pressure. One group of these medications are diuretics or have a diuretic incorporated into the medication. A diuretic promotes increased urination. BINGO! One does not have to be a Rhodes Scholar to connect the dots! You don't have to necessarily have the condition, incontinence, explained by Ron, to need bathroom facilities located within a reasonable distance from where you work. There are also other classes of drugs which promote increase in urination besides diuretics.
So when all is said and done, this lack of bathroom facilities in the CSB is a REAL and PRESSING issue. Let us ALL work together to insure that the BOD act in accordance with the needs of this community and not the selfish needs of one or several individuals. It is time for all of us to speak out on this issue whether it affects you personally or not!
It's nice to see that we have switched our conversation from hot big mouth gas to bathroom gas!
The office in question is not the one you think it is. It is Scott's office who is the Communication Manager for RMI and it is directly adjacent to the 99 studio.
"it was questionable where we should move the occupant of the office to" Is that the same occupant who cancelled the bathroom in the first place? If so, how much time does he use that space? Wouldn’t it be more prudent to weigh the needs and safety of the many people working in the CSB than the convenience of one? Most of us have a home office. Is this another example of the association STILL being held captive by the needs, wants, desires, and demands of one person, PLEASE tell me that is not what is at the bottom of this endless argument. The excuses get lamer by the day. Warren, remember who told you to sit down and shut up, looks like he still runs things!
Warren W. Your were sitting in my P and G meeting a couple of months ago when my committee asked Bruno to re-review the recommendations for a bathroom for CSB and and that time you gave me a high sign as a thank you!. Bruno did some work on it and the BOD scrapped any further discussions on the bathroom issue. Bruno told me the bathroom sounds of water and flushing would surely disrupt channel 99 and it was questionable whre we would move the occupant of the office to. So don't lay the blame on me. I refuse to keep beating a dead horse, no matter what the justification may be for doing it.
1. I have no idea who the person was that called the City Inspector's department
2. You are forgetting that we can recommend anything we want to. When the BOD votes no it is no whether we like it or not. When that happens the case is closed.
3. We have recommended that a bathroom be placed in CSB several times last year. That BOD rejected it. At that time we included the ramp idea Rana and that was rejected as well. I intend to have one more go at the ramp idea.
4. Ron my problem is that your writing suggests that I and/or my committee are not in favor of a bathroom. We had already recommended it. I just don't see what more I can do when the BOD says no. And by the way, P and G had nothing to do with the original plans for Building #2 and nothing to do with the changes that were made. We had one meeting with the archtect AFTER the plans were completed and we were told it was "too late to make and changes". Also, I am not looking for praise or credit. My point is that you are always looking at a half empty glass rather than half full. we have made significant progress but we are not 100% successful and somehow you overlook the successes.
5/ Rana, the ramp idea was presentd to last year's BOD and rejected. I am willing to try again with this BOD but I am not optimistic.
6. It is unfair to accuse me/P and G of being unsympathetic to the needs of our fellow-seniors. We still have to follow procedures and edicts issued by the BOD.
Carl,
Your arguments are absurd. The closest space happens to be in the
Communications Director's office, or haven't you spoken to Bruno.
This is inconvenient, however, as RMI has made no provision for their employees. The space next to the studio would be fine and could be soundproofed to eliminate the sound. Well maybe in Chicago they don't know about sound proofing.
BTW, that facilitator who called the city inspector was none other than our esteemed President's wife. My how times change.
Excuses are easy. The rear door is locked and once you leave the building you can't get back in. Oh Well. There is always the nearest tree for the men.
Carl W wrote:
"""""He failed to mention that the space available for a bathroom is adjacent to channel 99 and the noises would disrupt their work. """""
Now what kind of noises could possibly come from a bathroom that would disrupt anyone's work. Do us older folks have a bit more gas???
Must be the mexican food.
Could also be "salted rat". Now I'm expecting phone call from Dave B saying he had to remove this post due to making some people "nauseous" who are working on the records.
Oh, situation remedied, along with our daily meds, we can take "beano" if planning to be anywhere near CSB on that day.
bob m
Keep ignoring lips and follow the tips
Ah! The plot thickens…. Now ask who called the city inspector just before the board officers election determined to make that bathroom a reality. Something strange happened AFTER the election though, that “facilitator” seems to have lost interest in “where there is a will there is a way”. Like Ron Johnson I believe there is much more involved than 500’ satisfaction of an ordinance, there is safety, convenience of seniors and plain old common sense. Carl, I think you need to explore that $20,000 option and see if you can’t make it a reality and let the board start working for the residents it’s about time don’t you think?
Does anyone realize that the original plans had a washroom planned for the Community Service Building? The area for the original planned washroom is now none other than Favil West's office.
Carl, I would hardly call a plea for a careful evaluation of Community and personal needs yellow journalism. Does that reflect your disdain for the issues I had raised? I gather that Carl is upset when others are not praising his Committee's accomplishments, but that's really not at issue here, unless you are against efforts that are designed to serve the needs of our aging seniors. I hope Carl is not saying that the CSB is unable to accommodate a bathroom because of noise? What does that mean? It would be preferrable if the Committee would direct its considerable efforts at putting a bathroom in the CSB, not in finding ways to either avoid the issue (via the City's 500' rule) or in seeking work-a-round. Where was the bathroom situated in the contractor's proposal?
I forgot something else. I am tired of facing accusers when they don't like something and when they don't recognize accomplishments as well. My Committee has saved $500,000 on security expenditures; $10,000 on gallery ceiling tiles; and $5000 for a consultant to review parking lot lighting needs. " Fair is Fair" My Mother always said that if you can't find something nice to say about someone, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!
At long last I have become the victim of Ron Johnson's yellow journalism. I wondered when that might happen. Of course as usual he is all out of perspective. He failed to mention that the space available for a bathroom is adjacent to channel 99 and the noises would disrupt their work. He failed to mention that installation would require a trench and sewer line pump from the building to the middle of the main parking lot. He failed to mention that my Committee has worked on trying to find a way to do this for over a year now. He failed to mention that we are subservient to the BOD and if they say "no" it is no! He also failed to mention that there is another possible option to explore that does not involve going all the way around the building to get to it. There is a back outside stair right outside the door that leads to the hallway where the stage bathroom is located. The door there is locked. The stairway can be changed to a nice low angle concrete ramp suitable for wheelchairs, etc and the lock on the door can be changed to a combination lock pad for the door. This can be accomplished for under $20,000 and I have previously committed to at least try to push for this alternative.
While I respect the needs of diabled volunteer residents and other late nite working volunteers, I must also consider expenses in a year when residents are already screaming about a possible $160 a year dues increase.